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0:35 Scaling your lead gen ads with broadomation
4:00 How John increased a client’s ROAS 4X with broadomation
8:25 Job opportunities at Solutions 8
13:37 When to switch from exact phrase match to broad match
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The first area that we're gonna go into is called automation.
John:Is it working or is it not?
John:And what's the next strategy you think about for the next phase?
John:Would someone spend 2,600 bucks to make a hundred K all day?
John:All day long.
John:I'm not even tracking conversions that I've already 4,000 x bro.
John:As this out, it's, not the first time I've done this, so
John:it's not like a one off case.
John:I've just been doing this one for the last two years, this without failure, that
John:once that's solidified, like we have lead flow and it's coming in from our campaign,
John:your job's done for the next three months.
John:Your job is done.
John:Cool.
John:Let's get started.
John:So the first area that we're gonna go into is called broad automation.
John:Is it working or is it not?
John:And what's the next strategy?
John:Think about for the next phase I wanna give a shout out to Caden for
John:an artist show for organize this.
John:These are just amazing.
John:it's like, Hey, here's what we wanna talk about and this whatever wants to know.
John:So A good example of this is that's actually here local and they're
John:residential buildings, but they are very, very large one, two, $300,000 buildings.
John:And we do lead generation.
John:And what's interesting about this is the optimizations are that need to be made.
John:With pure, broad and using an automating strategy that when you have this scenario
John:happen, there's a lot less optimizations that need to be made in an account.
John:So much so that I don't even need to track conversions.
John:and it, is not the right way to do this, but it drives this point home
John:as to, What is this the next phase of what steps should you take and should
John:you take any steps, say, if any?
John:And let me move that over here.
John:So I have one campaign running and I'm not even using.
John:Target cost acquisition.
John:I have actually recently switched this over to maximize clicks, and I
John:did this here on the 22nd, I think, and our clicks went from 60, 50
John:and 60 a day to about 150 a day.
John:what we're gonna track now is, lead generation picking up.
John:So I'm just kind of cover the scenario So I have two yesterday, one 31st, 30,
John:30, 29 lot of leads being generated.
John:From one campaign, and this campaign right now is spending about four grand a month.
John:Now it's gonna be spending more, but it's spending about $200 a day, and you
John:can have a healthy campaign at $200 a day delivering a lot of good quality
John:lead flow if you're doing a few things.
John:One, you're actually tracking the sales of those.
John:You're actually tracking the engagement, you're tracking the quality, you're
John:talking with the client, getting feedback.
John:I talk with this client every.
John:Named Steve.
John:We meet on Wednesdays.
John:we met actually yesterday because we had to skip our, we meeting
John:pushed Thursday, but talk with him and he's, I know his sales goals.
John:He wants to ease increase by 33% by the end of next.
John:We need to hit 18 million in annual revenue in sales goals.
John:So I know all of this stuff because I don't manage the Google Ads portion.
John:I'm managing, delivering clients that will be sold.
John:that's the point that we have to get out of.
John:Well, I saw a lead coming in.
John:That doesn't matter.
John:The lead coming in does not matter.
John:It really doesn't.
John:It's more so the fact of is it a good quality lead and will it close?
John:I'll give you a quick snapshot as to how cool this looks.
John:I haven't tracked a conversion, I don't even think this year.
John:, which is kind of funny.
John:But I know what optimizations I need to make cuz I talk to the client.
John:I've not tracked one conversion.
John:I spent $26,000 this year instead of HubSpot.
John:When we look at the ads here, this is how I'm actually kind
John:of tracking the conversions.
John:If I look at this year that's at $26,000 I made 1.238 million
John:in revenue for them on 25.
John:So I have a 4,600 roaz, that's what this says in actual physical sales.
John:And it's cost me $2,600 per sale.
John:Now, that $2,600 per sale, like, wow, that's pretty bad.
John:But when you look at these deal sizes, those last one that
John:cost me $2,600, made 81,000.
John:The next one that cost me $2,600, made 80,000.
John:So this is what I mean by looking at what the actual deal.
John:Another $2,600 spent 141,000, but someone spend 2,600 bucks to
John:make a hundred K all day long.
John:All day long.
John:I'm not even tracking conversions that I've already 4,000 x bro as this.
John:How it's cuz it doesn't matter about where the people are coming from.
John:It doesn't matter what they Googled, necessarily.
John:Pure, broad is not going to care what they Google.
John:Pure, broad is going to only look at how often are these people staying on
John:the site, engaging, filling out forms.
John:That's the first.
John:Once that's solidified, like we have lead flow and it's coming in from
John:our campaign, your job's done for the next three months, your job is done.
John:what I mean, this isn't the first client of this I.
John:More clients.
John:We actually shot the video on it.
John:It's on the website how to have a $1,200 CPA turn into millions
John:of dollars, whatever it is.
John:But that was the other company that, was talking about.
John:I can't say it out loud here, but it's not the first time I've done
John:this, so it's not like a one off case.
John:I've just been doing this one for the last two years without failure.
John:when I'm talking about pure, broad, the search terms that are coming
John:into this campaign, this part will probably have to be blurred out a bit.
John:But they don't necessarily make a whole bunch of sense.
John:They're kind of all over the place.
John:Metal building.
John:Yeah.
John:And I'll give you an example of what this company will want this company does.
John:And if we need to blurred this out or skip this part, that's okay.
John:This would be just for internal, for training, but they sell.
John:I'm not even tracking conversions and I'm selling millions of dollars so far
John:this year alone in, or a million dollars far this year alone in selling these
John:things without tracking conversions.
John:That's unheard.
John:you know, you're usually looking at what's a cpa, the conversion
John:range, yada, yada, yada.
John:It doesn't quite matter because with lead generation it's more about the sales
John:process than the type of quality lead.
John:They've shut off their Facebook.
John:We actually removed Facebook from from HubSpot because they generated so
John:many more leads than we did, but they actually didn't convert to any deals.
John:They were that bad of quality.
John:And we even track all the way down to the point of how did you hear about us?
John:And people like Google searched by searching online.
John:We even have the source they're coming from.
John:But what's funny is the keywords, they don't necessarily make sense.
John:Metal warehouse If that converted, that's great.
John:I don't really care if it did or not.
John:I know that these are the ones that are collectively close enough to convert that.
John:I don't even need to track the conversion.
John:And I'm emphasizing this because when we're talking about the next
John:steps, do we turn into phrase or do we turn into exact match?
John:Some things that you have to think about is, okay, after the entire sales
John:cycle with more than 10 participants.
John:Was that good?
John:Well, how long would that take?
John:If we look at the clicks here so far for this year, I have steel building
John:is 7,500 clicks and metal building is 3,100 clicks and everything else is sub
John:700 all the way down to less than 91.
John:that keyword that I'm going after is generating pretty much all the sales
John:and I can see that inside of HubSpot.
John:I know that any deal that we come in, steel building, metal building,
John:the two that always brings all the deals, . Now the search term, who knows?
John:That's gonna be what's funny is the search term is this is not a glitch.
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John:And now back to your regularly scheduled.
John:I have 7,000 clicks, only 500 of them overlap to modular houses is
John:actually not even something that works.
John:There's Southwest Building Solutions, modular houses, steel
John:buildings, Arizona, metal buildings.
John:There's a lot of clicks here.
John:They're all so similar though that it's outside the actual search term that a
John:person used, and more so is that keyword, regardless of whether the searcher is
John:still built and still getting these deals, and the sales cycle is eight
John:months long for these these people.
John:I've been working with them for over two years.
John:That's why this year's looking really, really.
John:But now next steps, would you go after it?
John:This is where we have to then think about the point of next steps.
John:When is it appropriate to go to phrase or exact When a bra match keyword is
John:working well, so the things that we would need to have is a enough similar
John:variations, that phrase match would The phrase match would capture what
John:broad match is already capturing.
John:And what I mean by that is if you're looking at metal buildings, Arizona
John:and Arizona steel buildings, perfect.
John:These two phrase match is gonna capture both those.
John:If I typed in, if I did metal buildings, Arizona, I would
John:actually capture both of these here.
John:Arizona steel buildings and metal buildings, Arizona phrase match would
John:capture both of those at the same amount that I'm capturing right now.
John:There's probably gonna be some match type here that's gonna say,
John:Ah, that wasn't close enough.
John:Because they put like Arizona, Maricopa County steel buildings,
John:like there was probably something that broad match would've captured
John:that phrase match may have.
John:So this one you'll see here is it's already a phrase match of a broad keyword.
John:phrase match of a broad keyword.
John:This just means, hey, it was close enough that I'm gonna count it
John:as a phrase version of that broad keyword, but it's still broad.
John:So broad match turned into much more than just, is that
John:keyword that's being typed in?
John:What is going to convert?
John:It's not, It's what is that person going to do?
John:Google can optimize.
John:Even without seeing the conversions, because it is looking at the paging
John:engagement, and that's where I think the pure broad is, working really, really.
John:It's because that page engagement is there.
John:Google's gonna see that.
John:I still have my, keyword on this.
John:So they just changed a thank you page on me because long story short, the
John:reason why we're not trying to mergence, they had a bad web development company
John:trying to charge them extra hundreds of dollars for things that they messed up.
John:This company said, Please go away.
John:We don't wanna work with you anymore.
John:And they kept the login . So we can't track conversions.
John:we already have another person coming in that's basically
John:gonna get access back to it.
John:But long story short, we don't have access to the site and the client doesn't either.
John:So Yeah, that's why we're not tracking conversions.
John:Analytics code's not under either.
John:Like, it's, a nightmare.
John:So, long story short, I've just been managing this though, just through
John:their, site now there's negative keywords that I've been adding when I know that
John:there's something that cannot happen.
John:So like barndominium, like commercial, these are all residential and barndominium
John:are things that people were actually calling in saying like, Hey I like to
John:have a steel building that I can live in.
John:yeah, that's not possible in Arizona.
John:These buildings are not up to code.
John:We can't make our building.
John:Livable legally.
John:And if we did, it's gonna cost you more than your house did . So they're
John:like, Period can never work with these.
John:Anybody looking for barium?
John:We don't want.
John:So I phrased that.
John:All right.
John:I broad matched barium and just said, Google, do your thing.
John:And it's been working well, that stopped immediately.
John:So my negative keywords were based off of sales data, though.
John:That's what's important here.
John:It was based off of sales data.
John:What I mean by sales data, after this person contacted them, what happened?
John:I still have livable buildings as a search.
John:It's still not possible.
John:They can't live in these things.
John:But we stopped after I added bar of any, the people that are Googling
John:the livable buildings, those people, when they do convert, they
John:still are in the sales process.
John:They're like, Okay, well maybe I don't have to live in it, but
John:can I have air conditioning?
John:I thought it needed to be livable for me to, They have things like
John:installation and air conditioning.
John:Oh, no, no, no, no.
John:You can absolutely have all the amenities.
John:There's just not gonna be like the lights sock in a specific
John:height and that kind of stuff.
John:Like all the stuff that doesn't make it livable legally.
John:So that's what's interesting here is you can still use negative
John:keywords, use 'em sparingly.
John:I think in this whole campaign I have 1, 2, 3, 4.
John:5, 6, 7, 8.
John:I had eight negative keywords.
John:Pretty much like that's all my negatives for last year, and
John:it's been still 4,000 row as.
John:when do we wanna take it from phrase or from broad to phrase match?
John:If you find that there's a heavy amount of commonality in the
John:search term and the search keyword, you can turn it into phrase.
John:But if you find that the keyword in broad.
John:Is delivering you the results, but the search terms are not common.
John:They don't have commonality within them.
John:They just so happen to be matched with that keyword.
John:You cannot turn it into.
John:I'll visualize this for you all here by, go to the search terms and I use
John:steel building and I say that showing all the keywords with steel building.
John:Actually, lemme do the steel building, metal building.
John:These keywords are responsible for a 100% of all of our sales.
John:We only added in a bunch of other ones because client wants
John:to, wants to add 'em in there.
John:And so we just said, Okay, but the steel buildings and metal buildings right here.
John:there isn't a lot of exact matches between steel building and there's one here.
John:Steel buildings.
John:That's good.
John:Modular houses?
John:No.
John:Southwest Building Solutions.
John:No.
John:Again, we're only running Google.
John:So it's I'm okay capturing brand.
John:Steel buildings.
John:Arizona.
John:Yeah, that'd probably capture it.
John:Metal building.
John:Metal building, metal buildings, Arizona, metal buildings, Steel.
John:Okay, good.
John:this will probably be safe to turn into phrase, however you have to look at all
John:of the other 20,000 search terms and then say, did any one of those conversions
John:that you're now tracking through the sales process turn into a conversion?
John:Yes.
John:If the amount of those are higher, then what we're seeing is just pure volume.
John:You can't turn into, because you're gonna erase potentially 20,000 search
John:terms and you're left with 400.
John:Remember, this is the amount of variety.
John:This isn't the amount of total.
John:This doesn't say, Hey, there's been 20,000 searches for steel building
John:in metal building, so there's 20,404 different ways that people typed
John:in a version of steel building.
John:That's why this works.
John:So imagine what you're going to cut off in order to reduce the
John:CPA and see if it's worth it.
John:I am a big proponent of not doing that.
John:If it's working, there's no reason to.
John:You're gonna drive up your cp.
John:You are gonna drive up your conversion rate, but you're also
John:gonna drive your cpc, but you could also heavily kill volume for sure.